Showing posts with label steroids. Show all posts
Showing posts with label steroids. Show all posts

Saturday, October 19, 2019

Thiamine, Ascorbic Acid and Corticosteroids: The Mechanisms by which they should help in Sepsis

Want some nerdy stuff? Well this is some nerdy stuff! I'm taking a nice deep look at this figure. I am not going to lie to you at this moment, October 19th, and tell you I know what all this means, because I don't. But people who are more intelligent that I am have suggested that these are the mechanisms by which thiamine, ascorbic acid, and corticosteroids should help in the treatment of septic patients. I have a lot to learn.

I hope I don't get dinged for copyright stuff but honestly if this offends you, let me know. I will take it down. I will likely go deeper into this article at a later time. Wanted to share this image with you right now, though.





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Moskowitz, A.; Andersen, L.W.; Huang, D.T.; Berg, K.M.; Grossestreuer, A.V.; Marik, P.E.; Sherwin, R.L.; Hou, P.C.; Becker, L.B.; Cocchi, M.N.; et al. Ascorbic acid, corticosteroids, and thiamine in sepsis: A review of the biologic rationale and the present state of clinical evaluation. Crit. Care 2018, 22, 283.

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Monday, July 29, 2019

Ascorbic Acid, Thiamine, and Steroids in Septic Shock: Propensity Matched Analysis


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Another day, another Vitamin C article. This one came out just two weeks ago, it’s not free, and the results are a bit strange. There are larger trials in the works. If I were part of the group of these authors, I’d be itchy to get my data out ASAP as well. Just 31 patients in each arm of this trial. Heck, even I could replicate this trial in my 20 bed MSICU if I wanted to over 1.5 years. The problem is that my bias admittedly is for the cocktail to work. I am wide openly admitting that, everyone. I have a bias. I want it to work bc I want my patients to live.  
There are numerous parts of this study that seem strange to me. 
1. the ICU mortality of the control arm is 42%. This number should not be quite as high based on the latest data. That could lead the p-value of 0.004 to be perhaps a bit too small. But considering that they used the same strategies to manage septic shock these pts in both arms, it’s still valid for that institution. 
2. The duration of the vasopressors were longer in the experimental arm. This makes NO sense as Vitamin C is a co-factor in the endogenous creation of catecholamines. Heck, even the authors admitted this was strange. 
3. There was no significant difference in hospital mortality. They probably needed a high n to get this to show a difference. The hospital medicine and palliative teams must be great at getting code status’ changed so that people don’t bounce back to the unit. 
4. Pts did not get off of the ventilator faster. Word on the street is that there’s preliminary data suggesting that it helps this process that just isn’t out yet. Stay tuned. 
Lastly, everyone is worried about renal failure. No difference in AKI here, folks. In fact, I am yet to see one report in any of these trials talking about renal calculi secondary to vitamin C in sepsis. 

What are your thoughts on the matter? Is your shop using this yet? Are you a believer or a skeptic?